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HOMEWORK FOR ZOI ΖΩΗ!
(she has tasked me homework!)


(Also, in the future, si nous devais parler un autre langue, je te suggérerais français...)*

Cynthia: Σίνθια [sɪn.θi.ɑ]

Lucy: Λόωσι [lu.si] If there are two vowels, where does the stress go?

Mary: Μαρί (Μαρία? This is a Greek name, I think?) [me.ɹi] (badly; I think there's something going on with the [e]) or, I suspect, [mɑ.ri.ɑ] for you...truly, I am beginning to understand my choir teacher's hate for r's...)

Isabella: Ισαβέλα [ɪ.zɑ.bɛ.lɑ]

Fiona: Φιονα [fi.ow.nɑ]

Bob: Βοβ or maybe μπόμπ (;;) [bɑb]

Henry: Χένρι [hɛn.ɹi]

Paul: Πάλ [pɑɫ]

Charlie: Τζάρλι [tʃɑɹ.li]

Mark: Μάρκ (Biblical trend here...)

QUESTIONS:
1. How do you make the [i] (like fee or he or me in English (hahahaha, φ, χ, μ))? There seems to be many many many ways to make the [ɪ] (like vowel in hit or inn) but none for [i]? The book I have only mentions something about long and short vowels.
2. Also, there are combinations like κκ - where do I/can I use them? They seem to be the same sound!
3. I tried putting accents on letters that are capitalized, but I don't think they worked so I took them off again. Are capital letters supposed to have accents?

*after attempting to conjugate the verbs I looked up conditional and si clauses tense and got distracted for about half an hour >.< I have become accustomed to passé simple in all my book reading and haven't studied in awhile :(



Crosspost: http://silverflight8.dreamwidth.org/105518.html.

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schwa
Mar. 15th, 2012 11:31 am (UTC)
I'm not even sure I understand this assignment, but personally I don't agree with:
[me.ɹi] – the e here, I'd go with something more "open" here, like æ. But then, I never learnt the English vowels for IPA.
[fi.ow.nɑ] – ow here, I'd go for "oʊ". I'm not sure I can even pronounciate it the way you transcribed it it breaks my mouth.

Completely unrelated schwa out!
it0376
Mar. 15th, 2012 08:45 pm (UTC)
Purpose was to understand what sounds greek letters represent :-)
silverflight8
Mar. 15th, 2012 09:23 pm (UTC)
See, I say "Mary" like "air". I think the r is messing up whatever vowel goes before it. (Merry/Mary/Marry merged, though I suppose there's a very slight difference between merry/marry when I really think about it.

Hm, the stuff I get this out of is indeed a Canadian English linguistic book so there's definitely, um, variation...[ow] is like 'coat' 'no' or 'slow'. According to textbook.
schwa
Mar. 15th, 2012 09:36 pm (UTC)
hm, I rely on wiktionary my IPA source gives me -əʊ- (BritE) / -oʊ- (AmE) for the words you mentioned... IPA [w] for me is like, the first sound in "what". /o\ idk! English IPA is confusing, especially vowels. So many vowels!

...you weren't even around when I said I need to investigate Mary/merry/marry because I don't know how these three could be non-homophones (heterophones?). That's creepy :p
I could say "Marry merry Mary!" and all the words would sound the same :|
silverflight8
Mar. 15th, 2012 09:40 pm (UTC)
IKR, too many vowelsssss....way too many. Anyway. Oh, those vowels do look like they make sense - I really don't know how to deal with that r. It makes everything weird :(

Well, some people pronounce what with a [ʍ] too ("wheat" sounds like "hweet" and it always makes me laugh *slaps self*).

Yeah, that's exactly how it would sound...except, well, since they're all together I'd probably try to distort the vowel sounds just so the listener could understand :P
it0376
Mar. 15th, 2012 08:55 pm (UTC)
Not gonna comment on IPA, because I have no idea how it works.

Cynthia: Σίνθια [sɪn.θi.ɑ]
Check!

Lucy: Λόωσι [lu.si] If there are two vowels, where does the stress go?
That would be Λούσι. The accent goes to the second vowel if you have a diphthong (or however you spell that). If it's two random vowels, it depends on where the word gets stressed.

Mary: Μαρί (Μαρία? This is a Greek name, I think?) [me.ɹi] (badly; I think there's something going on with the [e]) or, I suspect, [mɑ.ri.ɑ] for you...truly, I am beginning to understand my choir teacher's hate for r's...)
Check and check! Μαρί is more like Marie, we have Μαρία (like Ave Maria) and also have Μαίρη, which I think is the exact equivalent of Mary.

Isabella: Ισαβέλα [ɪ.zɑ.bɛ.lɑ]
That's how you'd say it in Greek! If you want the exact sounds, I guess you'd get Ιζαμπέλα.

Fiona: Φιονα [fi.ow.nɑ]
You missed the accent!

Bob: Βοβ or maybe μπόμπ (;;) [bɑb]
Μπομπ. One syllab words don't get accents, actually, with very few exceptions (eg ή=or).

Henry: Χένρι [hɛn.ɹi]
Check!

Paul: Πάλ [pɑɫ]
I'd say that's Πωλ.

Charlie: Τζάρλι [tʃɑɹ.li]
Τσάρλι. Τζ is like j in jam.

Mark: Μάρκ (Biblical trend here...)
Yep, without the accent (one syllab word).


1. How do you make the [i] (like fee or he or me in English (hahahaha, φ, χ, μ))? There seems to be many many many ways to make the [ɪ] (like vowel in hit or inn) but none for [i]? The book I have only mentions something about long and short vowels.
φ, χ, μ, correct!

2. Also, there are combinations like κκ - where do I/can I use them? They seem to be the same sound!
Not sure what you mean.. Having a consonant appear twice in a row?

3. I tried putting accents on letters that are capitalized, but I don't think they worked so I took them off again. Are capital letters supposed to have accents?
Yep! You hit on ; and then shift+letter. The accent should appear like this: Ά Έ Ή Ί Ό Ύ Ώ


*after attempting to conjugate the verbs I looked up conditional and si clauses tense and got distracted for about half an hour >.< I have become accustomed to passé simple in all my book reading and haven't studied in awhile :(

Heee! Don't try to rush it! Let me know what you're studying and do scan excercises you do! Also, use filoglossia - it should have nice excercises.

*gives sticker*
silverflight8
Mar. 15th, 2012 09:45 pm (UTC)
IPA is an amazing thing of amazingness and fortunately there is schwa to correct me :D

Μαίρη, which I think is the exact equivalent of Mary.
-Oh, yeah, this one makes a lot more sense! :D

Ooops, you're right. I suppose the accent for Fiona would go Φιόνα. I think, anyway.

1. But what about the vowel itself?
2. Well, mostly just wondering when one would use doubled consonants. Is there a rule? Or is it just used there because? (For example, I can transcribe a k sound with either κ or κκ. Which one should I pick?)
3. Aww, I was hoping that they could just be left off :P

Awww, sticker! *clutches*
it0376
Mar. 16th, 2012 09:11 am (UTC)
Ooops, you're right. I suppose the accent for Fiona would go Φιόνα. I think, anyway.
Right!

But what about the vowel itself?7
We say φι, χι, μι.

Well, mostly just wondering when one would use doubled consonants. Is there a rule? Or is it just used there because? (For example, I can transcribe a k sound with either κ or κκ. Which one should I pick?)
Ah, yes. They can be there for two reasons. 1) Just because and 2) because it's a composite word and while forming it you end up with two of the same. For the time being, just use one, unless you see it used with two. It's kinda like English. You say "well" and not "wel" and "efficient" and not "eficient", though both could work, I think.

Aww, I was hoping that they could just be left off :P
Nevah! :p

I wanna know what you have studied so far! Scan your booooook!
silverflight8
Mar. 17th, 2012 01:20 am (UTC)
I don't write in my book, though! It's a library book! (Anyway, writing in a book is bad bad bad D:)
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